10-15-81 Civil Service Commisson Meeting minutes

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Civil Service Hearing 10/15/81 Page 11 below the rank of Chief. So we went into Civil Service in that way. In the City Council, they passed 1285 in September, on 16 of September, with an effective date of October 1. And they did this before the Civil Service Commission was actually appointed. And in so doing, the numbers that they had, there were sixteen Patrolmen on that date, if you take the three Sergeants who were temporarily --there were three Detectives who were temporarily assigned to the rank of Sergeant, that gave you eight Sergeants and three Lieutenants. So I think all that-this Ordinance did was place in writing what was existing as the City Council saw it as existing as of that date. Now, ah, I think in the, well right now, I say in the future, I mean for right now , and I think in the Spring of each year right before the City Council budget delibera- tions, well let's take right no.w first, if the Civil Service Commission feels that any of these classifications should be dropped, if any other classifications, like the classification of Captain or any others need to be added, I think it would appro- priate for the Civil Service Commission, at this point, to make a recommendation to City Council for that classification then, as you point out, then Council can put the number of authorized positions and the salary --- because that is legislative anytime you get into budget making and the power of taxation and that's legislative. Trainer: Absolutely. I think that separation is very clear. Askins: And, on the other hand, I think the intent of the Civil Service Act, which is to get, essentially to get the Police and Fire Department, however it's adopted, removed from the political process and to have an appeal process is to have the admini- • stration of it with the Civil Service Commission. I so advised Council last night, you know, on these points. I would advise the Civil Service Commission, in the Spring of each year to review all the classifications and give a recommendation, or even to just continue what's there or any, like I say, any changes for additions or deletions ah, and if you feel that anything needs to be added or deleted from what was done in September, at this time you should make a recommendation so Council can pick it up. I don't say, I don't think such recommendations on Council is binding but I think such recommendation would be highly persuasive. Trainer: I agree that those recommendations definately would not, in terms of classifi- cations, would not be binding. The Council can either fund them or not assign any money to that and in the case of the classifications not funded, for lack of a better word, or it's authorized to be filled through competitive examination, 1269m says that after three years, I believe it is, that that position will automatically be dropped. The point, as to the date that the Ordinance was passed, the 19th of September or what- ever date that was-- Freeman: The 16th. Trainer: The 16th of September, and that date being prior to the implementation of Civil Service, under Section 6b, ah, because the only reason to enact such an Ordinance is --would be to implement Civil Service and the effective date of such Ordinance would be the 1st of October. It would appear that the Ordinance would have to fully comply with 1269m because that's the only reason for the Ordinance being passed. And the effective date of such Ordinance was October 1st. Askins: That's right, because this whole procedure of Civil Service is a creature of State Law. and everything we do has to comply with 1269m. And another reason this • had to be done in September is the Department budget process for the coming fiscal year, in that a salary scale was set, and the Charter says that the entire budget must