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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-20-05 Chapter 172 Employee Retiree Insurance and Benefits Board Meeting Chapter 172 Employee Retiree Insurance and Benefits Board Meeting Minutes 01/20/2005 The Chapter 172 Employee Retiree Insurance and Benefits Board meeting was called to order at 5:31 p.m. Attendance: Sherri Sampson, Pat Rothermel, Clark Askins, Kim Meismer Sherri Sampson welcomed Board Members. Moved to meeting agenda items. Mr. Askins is working on Trust Agreement for Board members. Guest Speaker from CCBS arrived early, Bob Tracy. Mr Tracy was asked to discuss Agenda item 4. Mr. Tracy discussed CCBS, consultants for the pool, and then the goals of the collective purchasing cooperative for multi city health benefits. Trustees would like more time to discuss this issue. Tentative meeting date set for February 9th at 5:35 p.m. Mrs. Meismer requested specific detail on prior experience and success with this type of cooperative healthcare purchase. Mr. Tracy explained this would be the first project of this type. Trustees would like references from other participating cities such as Pearland, Friendswood, Webster and League City; Confirmation ofHGAC involvement as well. Clark Askins left at 6:00 p.m. and Pat Rotherme left at 6:30 p.m. Meeting adjourned at 6:30 p.m., as only 2 trustees were able to continue. Agenda items 2 and 3 will be discussed at the next meeting. .....0 2:S" (1) (1) p..'"'1 pj (Jq g p.. pj _. ..... (1) 3 en tH") "0 n n -. 0 ~ 0 ..... ~ .g 8 :::::~ ~(1)::rg::c: en '"'1 ~ ::t.(1) ..... pj ..... <: pj o ::to ~ (1) - ~<:(Jq S" (1) (") ~ (1) o"O~n ::P~0'I8 ~::=O6* 0'I~0> .. ::T "0 en i:3@~~ "O(1)g~ ~-p..o ::p g ~ ~ ~ ~ ~"8 ~ ~ tn. ~ 3 g 0' ~ p.. ~ (1) ~ ~] o':n cr ~ 0 e.::::: '"'1 ~ W (1) &."C:! --3 0 '"'1 ~ 8 fIl ~::t. g S" >-3 ~ ~ ~ 8 a ....... ~ (1) E >-3 _ 8. ::to (1) a ..... _ (Jq =. pj (") "'0 ..... '< (1) ~..... <: "'0 pj :::::(1).........(1) (") 0 (1) en ~"''<(1)0('') cr..... or (") '< 0 ::1 3 \0..... 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We have been developing some strategies and working through a few technical issues and now stand ready to focus on the single employer based group medical cooperative. I want to take care of a house keeping issue that is very important to taking collective ownership of the Co-op. We have to put a name on this Co-op. Here is my attempt. The Co-op is all about building alliances/synergy. In addition, the Co-op's ability to control its development and decision making authority is paramount to its success. I have been having discussions with Houston Galveston Area Council (HGAC) pertaining to playing a role in the various Co-ops that C-CBS is developing. It is obvious that HGAC brings a certain "brand" name that is recognized and respected in the public sector as well as an umbrella effect from housing and adding strength to Chapter 791 purchasing cooperatives which will satisfy Chapter 252 bidding requirements. I invited Bob Wooten, Coordinator, Program Development for HGAC, to our meeting and he is very interested in pursuing a role for HGAC. We are continuing to develop that role. In the meantime, I want the group to consider the following name; Houston Galveston Area Council - Region 1 (HGAC-Rl) for our Co-op. Representatives from the following Cities were in attendance on September 28,2004; Dickinson Friendswood La Marque La Porte Pearland Santa Fe Texas City Webster West University Houston Galveston Area Council (HGAC) 245 Commerce Green Blvd., Suite 290 Sugar Land, Texas 77478 (281) 295-3006 (Phone) (281) 295-3020 (Fax) (800) 308-2896 (Toll-Free) bob.ueacy@c-cbs,org h..n........ C't1n('bv<4>c:-cbs.Of2 6112 Skahan Lane Austin, Texas 78739 (512) 468-2250 (Phone) (512) 288-6014 (Fax) (800) 308-2896 (Toll-Free) terry.hale@c-cbs.org The synergy of this group is capable of reinventing the wheel. The concept is to build a large single employer based model using proven managed care techniques and principles necessary to spread risk and manage claims for long term cost stabilization. Remember, the concept is to build (1000 member units) to spread risk actuarially; similar to larger entities, minimizing large claim impact on smaller separate entities. In review, the HGAC-Rl group medical model will be a health insurance purchasing cooperative on a regionalized basis. Following are points unmatched by any cooperative offered in today's marketplace. 1. The HGAC-Rl model will manage care on a local Houston area regional basis. Houston is the managed care capital of Texas, which is the best place for us to be. 2. The HGAC-Rl model will act as a single employer model. It will not be a number of separate entities with different agendas buying different programs from a purchasing cooperative. 3. The HGAC-Rl model will allow competitive bidding and receive bids from all of the traditional carriers. The participating entities will control the plan, not the vendor. 4. All Cities will have access to multiple products for all employees be it PPOs, HMOs, HSAs etc.... 5. State of the art member care coordination and disease management programs. 6. GASB 45 Retiree liability healthcare solutions. 7. An equal role in decisions necessary to steer the plan in the out years. C-CBS is ready to take the next step. C-CBS will enter into a contract with the HGAC-Rl Member Board to provide services for the purpose of delivering a cooperative purchasing group medical plan and other group benefits to HGAC-R1 for consideration with a target date of October 1, 2005. A board will be established made up of one (1) representative of each member entity, one (1) vote. We will set up by-laws early on. The following services are necessary to deliver a group medical product for final consideration by The HGAC-R1 Board. C-CBS will agree to the following services, but will not be limited only to the contracted services for the Request For Proposal (RFP) process, which include; 1. Provide overall leadership and a lead advisory role for steering this development process. 2. Develop strategy for positioning the HGAC-Rl Cooperative in the most favorable light possible with the market. The market consists of (5) qualified group medical carriers that are capable of being partners with HGAC-Rl; Aetna, Blue Cross/Shield, Cigna, Humana, and United Healthcare. Chapter 791(s) are not standard operating procedures for the carrier marketplace. It will be imperative that we present an RFP package to the market that is based on sound underwriting principles that are the foundation for gauging and managing risk efficiently. C-CBS is going to be spending a significant amount of time "selling" this Co-op to the carriers. As stated, we do not want to self fund this risk at the onset. We want the carrier to insure the risk, let the claims mature, and then begin to take control of the funding mechanism. 3. Assist all member entities with data formatting for group risk evaluation. We will be spending time with each member entity as you begin to pull RFP data from your member entity current group medical plan. Information is the foundation for underwriting methodology. All member entities will have to be diligent in this area and C-CBS will be there to guide you through this process and assist you where necessary to pursue this request with your current vendor. We will be providing a detailed format request. 4. Develop an RFP for Group medical coverage. Once again, the most important lynch pin to our success. This will be the most time consuming step in the process. C-CBS will comply all data into an electronic submission instrument to be sent "directly" to all qualified vendors. 5. Monitor the RFP process. This is not the time to sit back and enjoy the ride. C-CBS will be very proactive during the RFP process which will take 45 days or so. (Q and A) will be standard procedure, clarifying positions, negotiating underwriting terms and conditions, dealing with ongoing medical conditions, pulling and punching our way to the finish line. C-CBS will be participating in a big way during this phase. 6. Provide detailed RFP evaluation! Advise Board on awarding Contract. C-CBS will present data in spreadsheet fashion. This is The Boards decision, not ours to make. Yes we will playa significant role in an advisory capacity, but ultimately, this decision is yours to make for your covered entities. This phase will involve comparative detailed analysis, clarifying terms and conditions, negotiating best terms and conditions, and. setting up a presentation phase by all finalists. 7. Assist Board members with Council presentations. A representative from C-CBS will be available for member entity Council workshops and Council meetings for awarding of your 2005/2006 group medical contract if an HGAC-Rl contract is finalized and awarded by The Board. Process steps (1-7) will take a commitment from all interested member entities. C-CBS welcomes the opportunity to playa leadership role in this exciting project. We would like to present, for consideration, a fee for time, expenses, and services incurred by C-CBS during the next several months in order to deliver on above referenced action items. C-CBS is proposing a retainer fee of $25,000 to be split evenly among participating member entities. It appears that this could be approximately $2,500.00 on the low end and $4,000.00 - $5,000.00 on the high end. The completion of the official RFP phase outlined above will transition HGAC-Rl to "ongoing plan management". C-CBS will be organizing enrollment process, getting the case through policy issuance, dealing with member services and HR support services, finalizing the integrated billing function, establishing client service support staff of awarded contract carrier, and many other action items for overall plan management. In addition, C-CBS will playa hands on role for managing the financial/performance of the plan including monitoring loss ratios and claim performance in relation to expected levels. Evaluating trouble spots and meeting with the Board on a routine and as needed basis to keep our collective fingers on the trigger at all times. C-CBS will be providing a plan management proposal for consideration the The Board in the near future. In summary, C-CBS is looking for a limited amount of member entities to expend a certain amount of energy to develop a Collective Purchasing Cooperative, in a proven model, to stabilize group medical costs. If an attending entity from the September 28th meeting chooses not to participate, we will have others ready to jump in. I want to keep this positive, however, there are no assurances that your member entity will be afforded the opportunity to participate once final decisions are made for the RFP. If not, your fee will be refunded. I, Bob Treacy, will be calling you over the next week. Time is of the essence. We will move forward as soon as we have a commitment from 750 employees. Call me @ 281-295-3011 with any questions or Email me at bob.treacv@c-cbs.org. I am shooting for a committed timeline of November 7,2004 if possible. I will be in touch. Burke O. Sunday, LIC Terry Hale Draft H-GAC REGION - 1 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT Whereas, the undersigned municipality, county, or political entity represents that it is a political subdivision of Texas and that its governing body has acted by majority vote, at a duly called and posted public meeting, to authorize participation in this Interlocal Agreement; Whereas, the undersigned political subdivision has examined all the facts and issues it deems relevant and determined that it is in the best interest of the political subdivision, its employees, officials, retirees and dependents to enter into this Interlocal Agreement to obtain one or more employee benefits; Whereas, the undersigned political subdivision understands that the purpose of this Interlocal Agreement is to: (1) provide uniformity in benefits including accident, health, dental, life, short term disability, vision, and long-term disability coverage to employees of political subdivisions; (2) enable the political subdivisions to attract and retain competent and able employees by providing them with accident and health benefits coverages at least equal to those commonly provided in private industry; (3) foster, promote, and encourage employment by and service to political subdivisions as a career profession for persons of high standards of competence and ability; (4) recognize and protect the political subdivisions' investment in each permanent employee by promoting and preserving economic security and good health among those employees; (5) foster and develop high standards of employer-employee relationships between each political subdivision and its employees; and (6) recognize the long and faithful service and dedication of employees of political subdivisions and to encourage them to remain in service of their respective political subdivisions until eligible for retirement by providing health benefits to those employees. Now, therefore, in consideration of the covenants, promises and agreements herein set forth, the undersigned political subdivision, together with the other political subdivisions executing identical Interlocal Agreements, enters in to this agreement for the purpose of providing certain benefits for employees, officials, retirees and dependents. HGAC Region - 1 lnterlocal Agreement Draft 1. Each participating political subdivision shall adopt one or more of the benefit plans offered through this Interlocal Agreement. The benefits, at the participating entities option, may be offered to their employees and their dependents, officials and their dependents, and to retirees and their dependents. Notwithstanding any other provision hereof to the contrary, failure of a participating political subdivision to adopt a benefit planes) within the adoption schedule set forth by the administrative agency, whether during the initial term or any renewal term, shall be deemed a termination and withdrawal from this Interlocal Agreement by the non- adopting political subdivision. 2. Each political subdivision shall determine the political subdivisions contribution towards the selected benefits. Each political subdivision agrees to fund 100% of the employee contribution for at least one of the medical benefit plans for active employees. All contributions shall be paid from then current revenues. 3. Participation in the medical benefits provided through this Interlocal Agreement requires 100% employee participation by eligible employees. An employee is considered to be eligible, for purposes of this Interlocal Agreement, ifthe employee is not covered by another group health plan. 4. Benefit planes) for participating political subdivisions shall be adopted by a majority vote of participating subdivisions. 5. The (agency) is appointed as the initial administrative agency for benefits procured through this Interlocal Agreement for H-GAC Region - 1. By majority vote of the participating political subdivisions, the administrative agency may be changed or rotate between participating political subdivisions. 6. A participating political subdivision may terminate its participation in the benefits provided through this Interlocal Agreement by giving one hundred and eighty (180) days written notice to the other participating political subdivisions. Terminations shall only be effective at the end of a Plan Year. 7. Each participating political subdivision agrees to furnish all information necessary for carrying out the purposes of this agreement and to secure sealed competitive proposals pursuant to Chapter 252 of the Local Government Code. The participating entities to this agreement hereby designate the Sealed Competitive Proposal process, as set forth in Chapter 252 of the Texas Local Government Code, as process to be used for procuring benefits. HGAC Region - I Interlocal Agreement Draft 8. The designated newspaper of the (agency) is hereby designated as the official newspaper of the H-GAC Region - 1 Interlocal Agreement for the purpose of complying with the public notice provisions of Chapter 252 of the Texas Local Government Code. 9. The undersigned political subdivision appoints Terry Hale and/or Robert Treacy, of City-County Benefits Services, a.k.a. Sunday and Associates, Inc., as the agent of record for managing the sealed competitive proposal process pursuant to Chapter 252 of the Local Government Code, securing, and placing the benefits to be provided to the undersigned political subdivision. This designation of Terry Hale and/or Robert Treacy, of City-County Benefits Services, a.k.a. Sunday and Associates, Inc., as the agent of record is effective 10/l/05 and it supersedes and replaces any prior designation of agent of record by the undersigned political entity. 10. The undersigned political subdivision shall designate and appoint a coordinator of department head rank or above as the individual to provide any notices required under this Agreement and to be the entities voting representative for selecting benefits to be offered through this Agreement. The undersigned political subdivision reserves the right to change the coordinator from time to time. 11. If any part of this Agreement is declared invalid, void or unenforceable, the remaining parts and provisions shall continue in full force and effect. 12. The undersigned political subdivisions agree that venue for any dispute arising under the terms of this agreement shall be Harris County, Texas. 13. This Agreement represents the complete understanding of the political subdivision participating in this Agreement and may not be amended, modified or altered without the written agreement of all political subdivisions participating in this Interlocal Agreement. 14. The initial term of this Agreement shall be from the day of , 2005 and continue until September 30, 2006. Absent notice of termination the undersigned political subdivision may annually extend this agreement by accepting the rates and planes) offered through this Interlocal Agreement for subsequent plan years (e.g. 10/1 through 9/30f). HGAC Region - 1 lnterlocal Agreement Draft This Agreement is entered into for the undersigned political subdivision under authorization of: at a duly called meeting held on (political Subdivision) ,2005. (month) (day) By: (signature) (Typed or Printed Name) (Title) (Date) HGAC Region - 1 lnterlocal Agreement Draft ********************************************************************** To Be Completed By Participating Entity Participating Entity Benefits Coordinator Mailing Address Phone Fax E-Mail HGAC Region - 1 lnterlocal Agreement DISCUSSION OUTLINE DECKMBER 16,2004 MEETING I. REVIEW DISCUSSION OUTLINE OF SEPTEMBER 28. 2004 (REFER TO RECORD SECTION) II. UPDATE OF ACTIVITES; . STRATEGY MEETING WITH AETNA, BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD TEXAS, CIGNA, HUMANA, UNITED HEAL THCARE. . DEVELOPMENT OF HGAC-R1 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. . STRATEGIC ALLIANCE WITH HGAC-R1 CHAPTER 791 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. . DEVELOP ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENTITY INTEREST. *BELLAIRE (164 EE) *DEER PARK III. HGAC-Rl INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ACTION ITEMS . HGAC-R1 INTERLOCAL. . ADMINISTRATIVE DISTRICT. . PUBLIC ENTITY (PE) COORDINATOR. . CCBS INVOICE FOR EXPLORATORY FEE; $2,500/ PE. PAGE 1 IV. DATA COLLECTION (MAJOR MEDICAL) AS OF LAST PLAN ANNIVERSARY OR CURRENT. . SUMMARY PLAN DOCUMENT (BOOKLETS) . ACTIVE EMPLOYEES & ELIGIBLE/COVERED DEPENDENTS * GENDER *EMPLOYEE DATE OF BIRTH *PLAN CODES (PPO(S), HMO(S), ETC) *DEPENDENT PARTICIPATION (EXAMPLE EXCEL FILE) GENDER AGE/DOB PLAN CODE COVERAGE MIF HMO,PPO,ETC. EE, ES, EC, EF, WAIVER . RETIREES CENSUS FILE SAME AS ACTIVE EMPLOYEES . CONTRACT PREMIUMS. . PREMIUM CONTRIBUTION STRUCTURE FOR ACTIVE EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES. V. NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY, 2005. PAGE 2 Presented By: Terry Hale/Bob Treacy City-County Benefits Services 245 Commerce Green Blvd., Suite 290 Sugar Land, Texas 77478 (281) 295-3000 Fax (281) 295-3020 September 28,2004 DISCUSSION OUTLINE 1. TARGET EFFECTIVE DATE 10/1105 . GROUP MEDICAL. . DENTAL, LIFE, LTD, ETC. (ANCILLARY). 2. CHAPTER 791 PLATFORM MODEL . REGIONAL SINGLE EMPLOYERlMULTI LOCATION. . MANAGED CARE CONTRACTUALS REGIONALLY DRIVEN. . POOLED RISK; COMPOSITE RATING. . MULTIPLAN OPTIONS. . CARE COORDINATION REGIONALLY DRIVEN. (AETNA, BCBS, CIGNA, HUMANA, EHC, UNICARE) MULTI-CARRIER P ARTICIP ATION. 3. UNDERWRITING RISK FACTORS . MANUAL DEMOGRAPHICSIEXPERIENCE WEIGHTED AVERAGE YEAR (1). . P ARTICIP ATION GUIDELINES (ADVERSE SELECTION). . PREMIUM CONTRIBUTION GUIDELINES (ADVERSE SELECTION). . INSURED CONTRACT PLATFORM. 4. KEY TASKS . PARTICIPATION IN THE "ILLUSTRATIVE RFP"/6 ENTITIES 1000-1500 EMPLOYEES). . GOVERNING BOARD. . AUTHORIZEIENGAGE THE INTERLOCAL. . DEVELOPRFP. . ANALYZE RFP RESPONSE FOR PRESENTATION TO THE GOVERNING BOARD. . RECOMMENDATION FROM GOVERNING BOARD. . RUN THE POLITICS OF AWARDING CONTRACTS TO THE INTERLOCAL. . IMPLEMENTATION FOR OCTOBER 1, 2005. 5. THE "GREATER GOOD PHILOSPOHY" DEBATE . PARTICIPATING ENTITY GATE KEEPER. . MANUALS DEMOGRAPHICS. . SPECIFIC AND AGGREGATE CLAIMS HISTORY. 6. PARTICIPATIONIEXIT GUIDELINES . MULTI YEAR COMMITMENT. . 6 MONTH CANCELLATION PROVISION. . OCTOBER 1 ENTRY DATES. . INVITATION ONLYUPONUNDERWRlTING SCRUB DOWN. Excerpts From Texas Local Governmental Code: CHAPTER 791. INTERLOCAL COOPERATION CONTRACTS 8 791.001. Purpose The purpose of this chapter is to increase the efficiency and effectiveness of local governments by authorizing them to contract, to the greatest possible extent, with one another and with agencies of the state. It is clear that the Legislature understands that public entities can purchase more efficiently and more effectively through combined purchasing than they can individually. The Interlocal Cooperation Act provides the vehicle for public entities to join together and benefit from volume purchasing. There are two basic models for "Collective Purchasing" of employee benefits utilizing the Interlocal Cooperation Act. The first model is the most efficient and produces the most cost effective results. In the first model all participating entities reach agreement on a package of benefits that is comprehensive enough so that each entity can select the program(s) they want for their employees, and proposals are sought for the entire benefit package. The second model is to develop individual specifications for each participating entity and to submit the individual specifications to the carriers at the same time. C-CBS recommends the first model because it produces the most cost effective proposals. Using this model for example the specifications would be for an HMO, a High Option PPO and a Low Option PPO. The Interlocal contract would provide for all three Plans and the entity can select which Plan or Plans they want to make available for their employees. The number of Plans solicited is based on the needs of the participating entities and the total number of lives. cS 791.025. Contracts for Purchases (a) A local government, including a council of governments, may agree with another local government or with the state or a state agency, including the General Services Commission, to purchase goods and services. (b) A local government, including a council of governments, may agree with another local government, including a nonprofit corporation that is created and operated to provide one or more governmental functions and services, or with the state or a state agency, including the General Services Commission, to purchase goods and any services reasonably required for the installation, operation, or maintenance of the goods. This subsection does not apply to services provided by firefighters, police officers, or emergency medical personnel. ./"" (c) A local government that purchases goods and services under this section satisfies the requirement of the local government to seek competitive bids for the purchase of the goods and services. An additional advantage to procuring employee benefits through an Interlocal Agreement is that it relieves each participating entity of the requirement of seeking competitive bids or competitive proposals individually. This provides savings in two ways. The first way is very obvious. Each entity is relieved of the expense and staff time used in obtaining competitive bids or proposals. The second way is less obvious. Insurance companies can provide better rates because they have less expense involved in responding to one request for proposals than they do is they must respond to five or six proposals. For entities that are required to use the competitive bid process there is another advantage. Products or services procured through an Interlocal Agreement can use the competitive proposal process, which allows for negotiations and therefore produces better proposals. o 791.011. CONTRACTING AUTHORITY; TERMS. (d) An interlocal contract must: (1) be authorized by the ~overning body of each party to the contract unless a party to party to the contract is a municipally owned electric utility, in which even the governing body may establish procedures for entering into interlocal contracts that do not exceed $100,000 without requiring the approval of the governing body; (2) state the purpose. terms. rights. and duties of the contracting parties; and (3) specify that each party pavin~ for the performance of governmental functions or services must make those payments from current revenues available to the paving ~ (e) An interlocal contractual payment must be in an amount that fairly compensates the performing party for the services or functions performed under the contract. (f) An interlocal contract may be renewed annually. C-CBS has developed model Interlocal Agreements that meet all of the statutory requirements for an Interlocal Contract. o 791.013. Contract Supervisions and Administration (a) The parties to an interlocal contract may create an administrative agency or designate an existing local government to supervise the performance of the contract. (b) The agency or designated local government may employ personnel, perform administrative activities, and provide administrative services necessary to perform the interlocal contract. The most cost effective way to administer an Interlocal Contract is to name one of the participating entities to supervise the Interlocal Contract and to rotate this designation every few years. The designated entity will be the named policy holder, with the other participating entities being named affiliates. The other alternative is to see if an established council ofgovernments (i.e. HGAC) will serve in this capacity.